Gal 5:1

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law. ~ Galatians 5:1

Kaelee's Story

Part I


My husband and I began attending Mars Hill at a very vulnerable time in our lives. We were newly engaged and had both recently moved out of our parents homes to start life in a big city. My husband's best friend and his wife had begun attending Mars Hill and loved it. They invited us along and we decided to go with them. At this point in my life I was surrounded by people that attended Mars Hill. My roommate was involved in a community group and they would be in our apartment often and pressure me to join. I had several coworkers who attended Mars Hill who very subtly would question my faith because I wasn't attending Mars Hill. I was very skeptical, but I also really wanted to fit in. I ignored my feelings and gave in to what people expected of me hoping it would help me avoid conflict. I was young, and I realize now how naive that mindset was.
       We were attending Mars Hill every Sunday but we weren't involved in any way. In fact I usually would subtly try and be late so we could avoid the, "Meet and greet" I felt so much subtle judgement every time I shook someones hand and told them that no, we hadn't joined a community group yet. I also saw fear in the eyes of others like me when they went to shake my hand and expected the same guilt trip for not joining a community group, for wanting to attend the church a few times and decide if it was the right fit. Every sermon was painful for me. It's really hard for me to explain honestly. I had been attending church since I was very young and with that church I had always felt a sense of peace. I didn't always see eye to eye with everyone there and sometimes I felt judged by other members, but it didn't change the fact that my heart felt like it was in the right place. With Mars Hill I just felt sick. The messages didn't move me like the messages at  my previous church had. The final straw for me was the sermon Mark delivered after going to Haiti for Earthquake relief. It really bothered me that he only focused on other churches during his trip. So many people were affected by that earthquake and he preached as though only other Christians there were worth his time. Then at the end of the sermon he yelled for 5-10 minutes about how people were not giving enough money to Mars Hill and if I remember correctly, stormed off the stage. The church I had spent most of my life in so far had never asked anyone for money. They didn't even pass around an offering bucket. We had a love box in the back and I never heard my pastor ask for money once. He would speak about projects they were hoping to undertake and how they were praying that God would provide the means, and God always did. After that sermon I talked to my husband (FiancĂ© at the time) and we both decided that Mars Hill wasn't the place for us.

Part II


 I wish that was the end of my story, but unfortunately it is not. At that time my husband's best friend and his wife were becoming more and more involved in the church. They were becoming members but we were still hanging out with them and everything seemed fine. Fast forward a month or so and this friend of my husband asks him out to coffee. My husband goes and comes back visibly upset. We go out for dinner where he tells me that his best friend had said that my husband loved me too much, was idolizing me, that I had gone off the deep end, and then started bad-mouthing everything Jeffrey had learned from a previous mentor in our old church. This was very hard for me to believe. I told my husband I thought his friend was just confused and even though his words were incorrect they were most likely spoken out of love. I told my husband he should listen to his own heart and tell his friend that he disagreed but not to let it ruin their friendship. They both loved and respected each other very much, I believed they could both move past this.
       Unfortunately that wasn't what happened. Weeks and months went by where we saw less and less of this couple, which is rather extraordinary since we lived in the same building and frequented the same coffee shop a couple of blocks down the road. Before this event the couple had named us the Godparents of their first child. They had helped us find our apartment. My husband got the job he has now with the help of his friend, and they still work together. The wife had designed and made my wedding dress. This wasn't a shallow relationship. We would text them and ask them to hang out and receive no response. I would see either of them in the halls of our apartment building and wave and they would awkwardly wave back and walk away with no attempt at conversation. I remember the Fourth of July last year we all stood on our roof to watch the fireworks. They were up there with their community group and ignored us when we walked past. At some point the husband did come over and talk to Jeffrey a bit, but I felt he did his best to ignore my presence, even when I spoke directly to him. After about five minutes his wife walked over and pulled him away without saying a word to my husband or myself. It was that night I realized it was actually over. They had cut us out because we didn't want to be a part of their church. I went onto Facebook to write a message to his wife only to realize she had removed me from her Facebook friends. I went onto Twitter and saw they had both unfollowed me.
       I don't want to act like I was a perfect saint during this time frame. I was at times a flakey friend, I would forget to call when I said I would or cancel plans last second. I completely forgot to ever write the wife a thank you card for my wedding dress, but had expressed my gratitude verbally numerous times. I looked at all of these things hoping to find something I had done wrong that would explain their actions, but it still never made sense. My value in myself was already dangerously low and I do believe these events helped the onset of my eating disorder. I am in no way blaming them, my eating disorder is my own personal responsibility, but when they looked at me and found me worthless it confirmed everything I had always believed about myself. I was worthless and I needed to find a way to become worthy. I shifted all of my focus in life to becoming thin. Thinking about anything else hurt too much.
       I am currently in recovery and it is going really well. I am happy now and no longer believe I have to hide my true self and feelings from people. I still have some anger for Mars Hill, but I am working on it. I am working on forgiveness. I don't know if I should try and talk to those friends ever again. I don't know if that would be helpful or harmful since it seems they have just gotten deeper and deeper in the church. I hope that someday there will be resolution or closure, but right now I just can't imagine how that would even happen. 

26 comments:

  1. Thank you for sharing your story! SO glad that your husband and you were able to support each other. I was in a very controlling authoritarian Bible "movement", and it breaks my heart to see what it did to many of the married couples. Well done to both of you.

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  2. It seems more like your friends had an idolatry issue with the church; they got sucked into the "cult of personality". I find it frustrating that a lot of Christians feel like their church does it "best" and if you don't go there, then you're somehow junior varsity. This happens really easily when you have a strong teacher in the pulpit and lots of people are getting saved and God's really moving. But hopefully one day they will realize that Jesus' bride is the church universal and that, as long as you love Jesus, you have a sibling in Christ regardless of who their earthly shepherd is. It is always good to hear my teacher (Matt Chandler) say to us that he doesn't care if we like the church or not, just so long as we love Jesus and walk in community. I'm sorry that your former friends fell into that trap. God bless.

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  3. It seems like your issue is more with your friends. It's very possible that I misunderstood your story, but I don't see how you were wronged by the church. To me, it sounds like your 'friends' were very immature. They sound like more of a problem than the church (at least in this story). Not trying to be argumentative, just wondering if I missed something.

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    1. I understand how you see that. That is what I thought myself for over a year as I was trying to process through this. Then I heard stories similar to mine. I heard about numerous other people changing drastically in a negative way after attending Mars Hill. These friends seemed to change into exact clones of the other Mars Hill members I knew in a very short time frame. From what I am seeing diversity does not seem to be welcome there.

      I agree with you though that I wasn't hurt by the church directly. My story is definitely more indirect than others here, and I am very thankful I left when I did and it didn't come to a place where Mars Hill had more power to hurt me. God was really watching over me, knowing my own mental health at that point any further involvement and the inevitable downfall could really have destroyed me.

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    2. in almost 7 years i have only had a few issues with the church. i am now feeling very fortunate about this. i'm glad to hear that you had the discernment to leave before things got worse for you. have you found a new church?

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    3. We haven't yet. We have begun looking and considering, but I am still wary. I think we will eventually get there.

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    4. it's probably hard to be excited about getting involved after you've been letdown/hurt. i hope you find a place you like!

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  4. I see the same attitude at a large church in our area and it concerns me very much. So far, only a couple of people have actually treated us like social pariah's. But I have heard from others who have left the church that they are openly ignored. I am sorry that you were treated so rudely. I pray that you and your husband have found a church that loves and accepts you.

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    1. I am sorry to hear that this is going on in a church near you and the rudeness you are experiencing as a result. We may focus on Mars Hill here, and I wish that they were the only church doing these things, but unfortunately that isn't the case.

      Thank you so much for your kind words!

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  5. Kaelee,

    I do empathize with you regarding the situation you had with your friends. However the point of a church is to serve God and serve other people. Most churches that are based on living in community within the body, emphasize being involved in a community group. The point of that is not to somehow suck you in, rather it an attempt to be an adaptation of the church described in Acts.

    The thing that scares me a little bit about this blog is that it puts the focus on you. There should be absolutely no focus on you, your pastor, or how either of you feel within the church. Church is not a place to feel comfortable. On the contrary, church should be a place where you are constantly convicted. It sounds like you struggle with fear of man when it comes to living. I also struggle with that and have constantly, and it is humbling to constantly see God revealing that to me. All of your issues with Mars Hill seem like issues that you should be humbly approaching God's throne about.

    Now let me say this, I am not a Mars Hill member, nor do I live within 1500 miles of Mars Hill. But people everywhere will struggle with being so picky about what church they go to based on how they feel, rather than the service opportunities are provided there. I am not saying that you should have stayed at Mars Hill, but I am saying that you should be cautious about putting your feelings over the needs of Gods people. I really do hope that you find a place where God uses you mightily to bless Him and bless others. God Bless.

    Ben

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  6. Unknown: "Church is not a place to feel comfortable. On the contrary, church should be a place where you are constantly convicted."

    Unknown, I find this statement to be deeply troubling.

    And this is not because I have a problem with conviction. Conviction IS part of the Christian experience. But constant conviction is a soul destroying, rest stealing, legalistism producing monster.

    Constant conviction is NOT where Jesus whats us to live. Well-placed, meaningful conviction is what Jesus uses, from time to time, to guide us to that place of Sabbath rest He has for us. That place is very near to His heart and full of overwhelming peace.

    Matthew 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

    Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.

    Unknown, if you are living in "Constant" conviction, please think again about it. We were not designed for the constant stress that constant conviction produces. We were designed to draw near to God, abide in the Vine, and to a Sabbath rest.

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    1. Mara, I apologize, i did not think I was being published as "Unknown"
      My Name is Ben. It is impossible to convey everything a person wants to say over a blog post so it looks like I failed at my explanation.

      I am extremely anti legalism as I believe that is the #1 turn off to unbelievers, so that was not the perspective I was coming from. However, in today's wishy-washy churches it is very common to hear someone say "I go to this church because the music is good, or because the pastor is funny". You go to church to serve God, serve people, and be shepherded. So, what I was trying to say is that a result of being part of the body of Christ that you should feel is conviction and uncomfortability. I am not saying you revel in it, and the fact is that God's grace conquers all so after feeling convicted you should rejoice that Christ's blood and mercy covers the sin you are convicted about and rejoice in the repentance and forgiveness that ensues.

      People that dwell on conviction and the severity of their sin will often miss the emense amount of joy that an understanding of grace produces. What I was trying to convey is my desire to see brothers and sisters look at their own hearts and sift through their own souls to see if they are pulling the twig out of someone else's eye before removing the log out of theirs.

      Does that clarify my position at all Mara? Thank you for taking the time to address me and coming to me with love and a desire for me to seek participation in God's redemption.

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    2. Ben, first of all, I'm relieved that you don't really believe "constant conviction" is where we are called to live.

      However, I'm still conserned about a few of your assumptions concerning Kaelee and the job of pastors and teachers.

      I wish I had more time to go into greater detail so that I can make sure I'm being clear but I'll do my best in the short time I have to try to communicate effectively.

      First, I find it disheartening that you automatically assume that Kaelee must be a shallow, consumerism Christian because of the troubles that she has experienced. Do those kinds of Christians exist? I'm sure they do. But just because they exist, this doesn't mean Kaelee is one of them. She went to hell and back and was very open about her own shortcomings. But enough about that because of my time constraints.

      I'm going to start a new comment for my second concern. (If my day job distracts me and I can't get back here or must shut down before I get my thoughts out in order to take care of business, please forgive me. I really am in a time cruch.)

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    3. Ben,
      The job of pastors and teachers and evangelist and anyone else handling the Word is to seek God, try to find His heart on the matter, and preach the truth. It is NEVER and I repeat with greater emphasis, it is NEVER EVER their job to TRY to convict people of their sins.

      (Note, I'm using all caps as italics, please don't feel that I'm yelling at you. I'm just trying to put emphasis where I feel it is due.)

      ANYONE who considers it their job to try to CONVICT ANYONE of their sins, they have greatly overstepped their boundaries and have tried to take the place of the Holy Spirit.

      Now, I understand that you may have been taught differently and what I'm saying sounds like wrong teaching. But please give me a moment to explain.

      John 10:4 When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
      John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

      The problem with men believing that it is their job to bring conviction on others is that they do not trust the Great Shepherd with His own sheep. Nor do they trust the sheep to actually hear the voice of the Shepherd when Jesus said that they will.

      I'm not saying that when a preacher preaches the Word that God has given him that the Holy Spirit can't use that Word to convict. This should happen. But too many preachers are preaching the Word in order to convict rather than just proclaiming the truth and let the Holy Spirit do the convicting.

      When preachers think it is their job to convict and keep on convicting, a false Great-Shepherdless conviction occurs. And when preachers think it it their job to constantly convict, the true force of true, Holy Ghost inspired conviction is completely lost on weary sheep who have been convicted to death by overzealous, conviction-obsessed preachers.

      Now I'm going to tell you something. I've sat under preachers who were conviction obsessed and who preached in order to motivate me toward some action that they have decided that I needed to do. And they have gotten me to do the action due to the persuation of their many words. But the conviction and action were complete shallow and utterably worthless and in no way life changing.
      The actions were going through the motions that the preacher thought were important at the time and nothing more. Even though I was told it was God's will and God's conviction on my life, it was only what some man decided that I needed.

      The actual, Holy Ghost, gut-wrenching, life-changing convictions that have left me, first, on the floor in tears, and then next, raised me up to higher level of God-consciousness and nearness to His heart..., these moments never involved a preacher. It was the Shepherd talking to me and me hearing His voice, just like Jesus talked about.

      The problem with many modern day preachers is that they don't trust the Words of Jesus concerning Himself as the Great Shepherd and concerning His sheep that know His voice. Many modern day preachers want to meddle where they don't belong rather than just doing their jobs as the undershepherd who proclaim the truth. If there are goats that are unrepentant, those shepherds have no more control guiding those goats in the right direction than Isaiah or Jeremiah. Their only job is to proclaim and to leave the convicting to the Holy Spirit and trust the sheep and goats to the Shepherd.

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    4. Well put, Mara

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    5. Whenever you feel worthless, remember that you were purchased with the blood of Jesus, the most precious substance in the universe! So how much are you really worth? You're worth the blood of Jesus!

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    6. "Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching."

      It's not church disciple that is the problem, it's the way it being handled. It should be with love and patience.

      Love doesn't mean there isn't disciple, but rather than discipline is done because of love.

      It's the role of the preach to faithful convey the message which comes from God's word.

      If in that word there is correction, then he must correct.
      If in that word there is rebuke, then he must rebuke.
      If in that word there is encouragement, then he must encourage.
      If in that word there is exhortation, then he must exhort.

      In essence, what more can a pastor preach than the word of God? Anything more is to communicate vain wisdom.
      If this isn't the case and the word of God does agree with what the pastor says don't get angry with the pastor. If you do, you are not angry at the messenger, but at the one who sent the message.

      Grace and Peace

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  7. 1. Funny (not the haha funny) how in this story you are the center and not Jesus.

    2. I'm trying to wrap my mind around this line..."I still have some anger for Mars Hill, but I am working on it." What did Mars Hill and Mark Driscoll have to do with your experience with the people of Mars Hill? Thousands of people go to that church yet you were burned by two of their members and decided to start a blog about your disdain for an entire church?

    Also the verse you threw up there on the top is a reference to salvation through Jesus grace from works. It has nothing to do with you being set free from a church.

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    1. Anonymous June 6, 2012 12:29,
      It's funny how you come in here and nitpick the walking wounded.
      What is your motive? To defend Mars Hill? To defend Mark Driscoll? To shame the abused and wounded into silence to protect big names and ministries so they won't be called into account for their abuses and excesses?

      Open your eyes. The numbers of walking wounded resulting from Mars Hill and Mark Driscoll is unacceptable. For a long time the wounded wouldn't talk about it. But now they are starting to speak about this abusive system and exposing the issues that run rampant within it. The entire system is sick. The entire church has issues. And it starts with Driscoll.

      And fyi... READ YOU BIBLE and READ THE VERSE IN CONTEXT. It is NOT just speaking about salvation. It is in direct reference to abusive systems, legalistic church systems that try to bring people back into bondage of serving the law, which is what Mars Hill does with women (and probably men too) with their doctrine of submission.

      Just in case you missed what I'm saying, let me spell it out.
      Mars Hill brings bondage and spiritual death on women by teaching them to obey the letter of the law concerning submission and making themselves into doormats for their husbands. It is bondage. It is slavery. And women need to run as far away from that yoke of slavery as they can. There is freedom in Jesus Christ for women. But not in the Mars Hill version of the Gospel.

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  8. The best part about this was the part about Jesus.. oh wait.

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    1. exactly. well stated.

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  9. First of all, I think we should be reminded that we are all a body of believers, sinners saved by grace-- I, you, Mars Hill, all alike. Thus, let's cut the disparaging comments toward one another. As a disclaimer, I have attended Mars Hill several times, but never joined a community group.

    After reading through Kaelee's story, I don't discount the things she has nor do I belittle her feelings. But I do raise similar concerns that other commenters have raised, and that is the fact that much of Kaelee's consternation and strife occurred because there was a significant focus on other human beings.

    The focus should always be on Christ. Always. I made this mistake when I led the college group at my own church. After a few years, the friendships I had with others had been deeply fragmented-- tensions were high, love was absent, and attendance plummeted. For the longest time, I felt like it was a failure on part of the fellowship itself or a failure of my own accord as a leader.

    After some time, I realized that I was not leading the group for the purpose of pointing people to Christ but I was doing it for the sake of fellowship itself. Christ was absent in our group, and we suffered collectively. When I realized my mistake, I submitted to God's sovereignty and realized that whatever the makeup of our group was, it did not take away from Christ as the centerpiece of our worship.

    It sounds like Kaelee is making the same mistake here. People do not form your foundation, Jesus does. Keep your eyes on Him.

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  10. Kalee, may the Lord be with you in your search for peace and healing. I am sorry for the experience you had and pray that the Lord will manifest his glory through you and your experience. He is pretty amazing how he can accomplish that through our failures. My failures. With my failures, I am still waiting to see His work of glory. The daily groans of this earthly life are too much to bear at times. I am determined to bear it until He comes for me. May you be blessed with fruit and joy in Him.

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  11. Kaelee, one comment of yours jumped out at me more than others: "but when they looked at me and found me worthless it confirmed everything I had always believed about myself. I was worthless and I needed to find a way to become worthy." What happened in your life before Mars Hill that made you that way? And I'm not discounting that Mars Hill is in flux, some leaders there (including Mark) have said and done some boneheaded and insensitive stuff, and they still have a lot of growing pains to go through. I attended for a while, told a counselor there I was a childhood sexual abuse survivor and then had some inappropriate things said to me in an angry tone for saying I don't feel like God loves me. Guess what happened to him? They made him step down. For doing stuff like that to me and others. They don't NOT care about hurt feelings there. There are a lot of things they do wrong that are grating on people's emotions, but I see where that wasn't their goal, and by the grace of God I hope they rein it in. You do not have to go there to be worthy, or to be a Christian. But what I'm hearing you say is that long before you joined, something happened to make you feel you would never be worthy, and to trigger an eating disorder. It sounds like (in your particular experience) MH was the last domino. Which is perfectly understandable, because they are still a little immature as a church.

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  12. Hi, Thanks for your story here. I came across your site through Julie Anne's blog. Yes, there are many hurting people from many churches. People in the Pacific Northwest can relate to why you have a blog that is a place of 'refuge' for the church you were involved with.

    You might be interested in my study on spiritual abuse and recovery.

    My website is: www.ChurchExiters.com. Drop in to my website sometime.

    Another resource site for various abuses is: www.AbuseResourceNetwork.com

    Glad to have another voice raising awareness about these issues! Keep at it!

    All the best!

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